Munich Saturday /Friday Beer Gardeners (& indoors in cold, wet, & winter etc) Organisers

All Year, More Regular Organisers on list Email bg-org@ (not bg-org_ERASE_@) , Inside & Outside venues.

All Year, Less regular Organisers on list Email bg-org@ (not bg-org_ERASE_@)

Summer Organisers on list bg-org@, for Outside Beer Gardens
Sometimes with announce privileges with robot for list bg@

Reserves, Not Organisers, Not on bg-org@,
but they mostly have announce privileges with robot for list bg@

More Organisers Welcome

Alumni Ex Organisers

Key

Venue Suggestions

If you've got venue suggestions, welcome. Mail the organisers on bg-org@, or even better suggest it to us in the beer garden/ Gaststaette, when we're deciding where to go next week.

Venue Selection Criteria:

Beer Gardens

• We prefer Beer Gardens that allow self service & bring your own food etc.
• We avoid beer gardens with no easy public transport (some beer gardeners & organisers go by bike, some by public transport).
• We prefer beer gardens with a good fallback venue if it rains. So if you nominate a beer garden, please also tell us a decent fallback rain venue.
• We have many other varied & partly contradictory criteria for next week's ideal beer garden venue. Why not join us this week & debate with us where to go next week ?

Football

No indoor places with TV football etc.
Keep an eye open for roll up screens & projectors, easily missed till they come into use).

Even outdoors in beer gardens it's horrible when football is amplified shouting & flickering on multiple screens, & there's no corner of the beer garden where one can avoid it.

The maximum risk is of football (& rugby etc) is when the big local teams are playing, or teams that appeal to English speaking viewers in Irish pubs, so here's some schedules

• fcbayern . com / en / fixtures / profis / alle / 2016 - 2017
• www . tsv1860 . de / de / Spiele_Profis . htm
• www.kiliansirishpub.com/tv-sports/
• https://www.kennedysmunich.com/tv-sports/
• muenchen . de / int / en / events . html More muenchen . de / veranstaltungen . html
• skysports . com / watch / tv - guide Click on Sat. Mouse left click on time bar, & pull left to 7PM (=20:00 Munich)
  skysports . com / rugby - union

We try to go at times & to places where we won't be competing with football fans for space & noise. Football fans can be happy, we try to leave `their' pubs with empty seats

Remember 2 halves of football at 45 mins, + a break of 20 / 30 mins ? + injury time + commentators sometime keep burbling noise after end of game, + noisier adverts, + beer garden or pub staff might not turn off big screens for a while, so allow maybe 2 hours 15 mins after start till we might hope screens will stop contaminating venues.

Indoors

• Places (not restaurants) that will reserve us 12+ seats by phone not email, flexible if more / less turn up, & don't require more than 1/3 to eat.
• Places with chairs better than benches, hard to circulate with benches).
• Bavarian places aren't as popular as other places with our international, so not so often used (A dichotomy, as Bavarian beer halls have more chairs, less tight, & can take larger groups easier).
• Irish pubs: popular for a change, but often burdened with TV sport, & some not big enough.
• No places where smoke drifts in from nearby outside.
• Not round the corner from where you live ! Not if you don't often join us, but more likely accepted if you travel all over town with us most weeks.
• Not way outside the Mittlerer ring on your far edge of town.
• Not speciality places like just fish restaurants, vegetarian, Eco. (D.: bio), or classy/ trendy expensive poser (schickey).

What Time To Start ?

Ideally Saturday 19:30 suits most, but disrupters to norms include: Corona, TV Football or music scheduled to pollute venues, seasonal temperature, the weather forecast & sudden weather changes etc, too cold (or hot!) & more stay home.

Generaly people like Saturday early evening meal time with drinks after not before, we are keen on outdoors if we can. Periodically organisers (as author) can ask all attending their opinion.

Years back we met on Friday, but two thirds preferred Saturday so we moved. Occasionaly we've moved to Fridays or Sundays, &/or 14:00 for better weather etc, varying times & venues has a bonus of allowing a few long unseen friends who usually can't make it.

Sometimes while booking on phone at popular places for crowded weeks author has been asked by restaurant to move start time 30 or 60 minutes to avoid other big groups at the same time. Many smaller groups also start 19:30 & 20:00, so occasionally we've done 19:45 & 20:15 to ensure we won't wait for service.

When booking best use the military 24:00 system: because "Halb Sieben" German is Not "Half Seven" English, & some daft Bavarians also use more convoluted weirdness eg "Drei Viertel Vor Acht" & beyond. The BG Organiser & succesive bar staff in ef an Indian restaurant may be mixing English & German phoning where succesive waiters take & hand over the call, & they may be flakey or non existant in one or the other language.

Contacting Organisers

• If you must phone organisers, please use home numbers at reasonable hours, a short call to a work number in marginal weather is usually OK.
• Not all organisers always attend, some not often, some may work or partly live [way] out of town, but sufficient to cover for more regular organisers away on holiday, working, ill, etc.
• Organisers have an internal mail list bg-org@, for organising venues etc.
  • Everyone receiving bg@ is entitled to write suggestions to bg-org@.
  • If you have a venue suggestion, please do not mail it just to the organiser you know best or were talking to about it, please instead mail the Organisers list of bg-org@ so that all organisers see it. It saves delay, & save the organiser work forwarding it to other organisers etc.

Helping Organisers, Nominating An Organiser, Becoming An Organiser, Retiring Organisers

• Recruitment posting:
  We need a few more known faces who could occasionally step in as reserves when occasionally regular organisers are unavailable. So we could check with you then announce eg:

  • "__Your_Name__ will announce venue later this week" or
  • "Look for __Your_Name__ at 20:00 at ____ Pub, table[s] reserved in name of Berklix".

  W ho can you suggest ?

• Extra Occasional or Regular Organisers Welcome

  • If you'd like to help or recommend someone to help us occasionally, - please tell the organisers.
  • Occasionally we use a one off guest spot organiser - tell us if you fancy organising a one off event.
  • We have a Reserve Organisers list that people can volunteer to join, for those interested in working as an organiser on occasion.
  • We've had up to 9 or 10 organisers simultaneously on our organisers list long ago, sometimes 3, 5, 6 people come & go.
  • Please volunteer to run an event while you can, you dont have to be on the main organisers list.
  • Don't just click to join any *-org@mailman.berklix.org list, thats not the way they work. Discuss it at an event.
  • You don't need to organise regularly, just sometimes/ occasionally, ramping up & down as agreeable.

• Being Made An Organiser

  • We don't drop you in cold: We recruit people to the organisers mail list for a while, letting them read how we decide venues & organise, before we expect them to work, helping decide & organise events.

  Joining The Organisers List Is No Free Ride.

  • Being on organisers list just to get prior info, or more say where we go, without working, would be an abuse of privilege, & would result in removal.
  • It's not a way to get everyone to drink your favourite beer in your favourite bar. (Organisers try Not to nominate a place near where they live too often, (though that's getting difficult for Author as his home area grew very popular in Munich).
  • After being on the organisers list a while to learn the ropes, you are expected to Work, to help choose & announce & host/ focus at venues.

  Mail List CCs

  • bg@ is a strictly low traffic announcements only list.
  • bg-org@ receives replies from bg@ announcements, & internal organiser only discussion, replies to announcements should Not be cc'd to bg@
  • If you want to chat with non organisers use bg-chat@
  • When a new organiser is subscribed to bg-org@ the author also removes the moderated bit from that person on list bg@ to allow the new organiser to announce events direct un-moderated, after discussion on bg-org@
  • All organisers, please be careful to remove any CC: bg@ before replying to other organisers' announcements posted to bg@
  • Normaly reply Just to bg-org@
  • Remove any CC: bg@ (that your mailer MUA (= Mailer User Agent) might have added, if it fails to obey the Reply-To: directive automatically posted in all headers to bg@)
  • Near all the 200 normal beer gardeners (except organisers) on bg@ are moderated, to prevent accidental replies from those who periodically & erroneously CC: bg@
  • All organisers should please also subscribe themselves to bg-chat@ http://mailman.berklix.org/mailman/listinfo/bg-chat
    
    

  Retiring From Organisers List

  • Remaining on the organisers list is a privilege just for Working organisers.
  • When you no longer regularly work as an organiser, please resign.
  • Resignation helps:
    • It avoids others thinking "They've got enough organisers, I don't need to volunteer."
    • It tells organisers to stop hoping you'll get back to work later.
    • It tells organisers to recruit replacement organisers
    • It avoids a non performing organiser being seen as a failure.
  • Organisers should periodically review their own performance , & if they are not doing much enough work, & unlikely to in near-ish future, should resign
  • Organisers who resign (or are removed for lack of work) are welcome & encouraged to remain as Beer Gardeners, receiving announcements. Just no longer on working Organisers list.
  • Making odd comments occasionally does Not count as being a working organiser.
  • If not organising, rather than wait for other organisers to see you as an organiser failing to organise, it's better to resign or step down to Reserve Organiser status [then perhaps volunteer again later when not so busy].
  • Our Alumni list of retired organisers

  Some Requirements To Be A Main Organiser

  • Much of the following does not apply to part time reserve organisers, so don't let it put you off volunteering, but it's what we main organisers aim to achieve for ourselves.
  • Organisers work within a set of conventions/ rules derived from experience, & [used to be] automatically sent to each new organiser by majordomo when joining. Any organiser could fetch the latest copy as a reminder at any time.
  • Organisers need to be self organised people others can rely on to Organise.
  • Organisers do what they commit to do, unless they warn other organisers in time that they have a problem & try to arrange substitution.
  • Organisers try to remember at this week's venue, to initiate "Where shall we go next week ?" discussions, & try to resolve it through to a decision.
  • Organisers sometimes we have to change or decide venue later, eg weather changes or we made no decision last week. (Lots of criteria for venue selection.)
  • Organisers need to check each week that one of their colleagues will book, announce & attend venue on time.
  • Announce Venue: Some announcements are better than others. When you've read enough announcements, you know which were written by someone too lazy or busy, whose announcements will not encourage new beer gardeners to attend. A good organiser is by definition not too lazy, & if too busy, declares it, & gets a colleague to do the job properly.
  •   Do not mail announcements from Roundcube Webmail. The Roundcube Webmail MUA (= Mailer User Agent) mail client is blocked.
    An organiser with that mail client was often found unwantedly CC'ing internal organiser discussion to announcement lists, ignoring the list's Reply-to:. It was not determined if persistent errors were the MUA (= Mailer User Agent), configuration (settings) errors, or human usage, or a combination, but to prevent spurious CC's on announcement lists bg@ & walk@, mail from Roundcube is automaticaly silently discarded unseen by human.
    See Also: www . berklix . com / ~jhs / mail / #roundcube
  • Organisers act as hosts: They break off talking to a friend to introduce newcomers, or stir up / shuffle a less lively half bored sub group & Move people, encourage seat swapping, discourage people reverting to long conversations in German, & repel smokers etc.
  • The booking organiser reminds waiter at beginning of the evening each drinker will pays his own bill, tells people to write on their beer mats, to avoid end of evening unpaid beers, & Keeps an eye on customers who might forget to pay all they've had, accidentally or deliberately. Yes of course occasionally some customers & waiters forget, make mistakes, try to cheat up or down, or can't add up.
  • Organisers occasionally have to consult other beer gardeners & organisers, then diplomatically if possible quietly tell some misfit, "Sorry, you don't fit the group, Good Bye !" ( Just occasionally the group Needs & wants organisers to identify a problem & & take responsibility to firmly deal with it (Of course everyone likes to avoid problems, but it's an organisers responsibility).
  • Organisers should encourage the others to recruit new members.
  • Organisers occasionally suggest more organiser candidates.
  • Organisers know how to set their mailer software to send just Ascii Plain Text, to post to lists, avoiding to send

    Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
    
    

    The list server automatically rejects such junk because:
    • Combination of both HTML + Ascii text enabled by multipart/alternative is the favourite format spammers swamp the the list server with.
    • It would wastefully triple the bandwidth posting to several hundred mail list recipients.
    • It broke list footers when using majordomo; Readers need to see footers, because if they're not seen we organisers & particularly this author lose more time answering trivial email list enquiries).
    • (Sending multipart/alternative can also advertises clueless-Ness / incompetence &/or regular waste of net bandwidth.)

Alumni - Ex Organisers

• Alumni Thanks to those who have helped organise, some of whom might again. List in approx chronological order of resigning (the order would be quite different if in in order of starting to organise)
  Erik, Logan, Omar, Owen, Peter, Frank, Paul, Melanie
  If Ive missed someone, apologies, remind me

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